RuPaul Charles has defended the use of the word “tranny.”

Charles, who is best known by his drag stage name RuPaul, has hosted 7 seasons of Logo's RuPaul's Drag Race, the reality series in search of “America's next drag superstar.”

Speaking to Marc Maron, RuPaul broke his two-year silence on use of the word.

“I love the word tranny,” he told Maron.

RuPaul said that it was not the transgender community that is opposed to its use.

“These are fringe people who are looking for storylines to strengthen their identity as victims. That is what we are dealing with. It's not the trans community. 'Cause most people who are trans have been through hell and high water. And they've looked behind the curtain at Oz and go, 'Oh, this is a fucking joke.' But some people haven't and they've used their victimhood to create a situation where, 'No! You look at me! I want you to see me the way you're supposed to see me!'”

(Related: RuPaul's Drag Race responds to claims of transphobia.)

In late 2011, out singer Lance Bass apologized for using the word “tranny.” At the time RuPaul called the apology “ridiculous.”

“Of course Lance Bass, his intent would never be to be derogatory,” RuPaul said this week. “Never. So, you know, that's really ridiculous. And I hate the fact that he's apologized. I wish he would have said, 'Fuck you, you tranny jerk!'”

RuPaul called the topic “a lose-lose situation.”

“You cannot win with this,” he said. “I believe what I believe. You believe what you believe. Let's just call it a truce.” (Audio from the podcast is embedded on this page. Visit our video library for more videos.)