Anti-gay activist Scott Lively on
Tuesday claimed that “science says” that gays are using their
bodies incorrectly, then backed up and said he didn't need science.
Lively, who is also running a
Massachusetts gubernatorial campaign as an independent, made his
claims during a lively interview on Fox News Radio's The Alan
“I believe that homosexuality is a
behavioral disorder on par with alcoholism or eating disorders,”
said, “things that people suffer with. It isn't just a moral
weakness. It's something that people suffer with.”
“How do you account for the fact that
there are many gays who are happily gay?” Colmes asked. “They're
not suffering because of it. They're happily living their lives.
Some of them with partners. Alcoholism causes definite problems,
“Hey, there's a lot of happy
alcoholics,” Lively responded.
Colmes pointed out the flaw in Lively's
analogy: “Someone could be very not negatively affected by the
results of [being gay].”
“Well, I disagree that they can be
'not negatively affected,'” Lively responded. “I think
homosexual conduct is inherently wrong and dangerous and harmful. …
Because it's engaging in, it's using parts of the body in ways
they're not supposed to be used.”
“Who says that the human body should
not be done in a way, or used in a way that gays use the human body.
Who says that?”
“Well, science says, for one thing,”
When Colmes pressed for scientific
evidence, Lively said it was unnecessary because “it's
“Because you can't back up what you
said, if you don't do that,” Colmes said.
“I believe that the best arguments
are the arguments from simple logic. And when you get off into
scientific studies, then you're off in the weeds.”
“But you're the one who brought up
science, Dr. Lively,” Colmes stated. “You're the one who brought