In a two-part BBC documentary, openly
gay actor-author Stephen Fry visits with Joseph Nicolosi, founder of
the “ex-gay” group NARTH.
In the documentary, titled Stephen
Fry: Out There, Fry looks at what it means to be LGBT in 2013
through revealing interviews with openly gay celebrities, such as Sir
Elton John, and everyday folks, such as a man who is facing
persecution in his native Iran and is seeking asylum in the United
In a segment released on Tuesday, Fry
chats with Nicolosi, who claims a 66 percent success rate with
converting people from gay to straight.
“Would you say that you have a kind
of percentage that you can demonstrate of a success-failure rate?”
“We say a third, a third, a third,”
Nicolosi answers. “A third no change. A third significant
improvement. A third cured.”
Nicolosi adds that 60 percent of his
clients are teenagers. (It should be noted that therapies that
attempt to alter a minor's sexual orientation from gay to straight
are prohibited in California, where Nicolosi is based. However,
groups opposed to the law, including NARTH, have sued to have it
Despite this claimed dramatic success rate,
Nicolosi refuses to provide Fry with a former client to interview.
Near the end of the interview, Fry
states he's interested in the metrosexual phenomenon.
“I'd say you fit that rather well.
You're well groomed, you could easily pass as a gay man,” Fry says
with a smile. (The video is embedded on this page. Visit
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